Carfiliot seems a bit iffy about looking at stuff from Dork, so Im not sending him any more of it. But Ive had the idea to saerch the whole of the files for ‘ginger’ and see if its mentioned. It took a total age and nothing then i thouht what about Wastbasket and it was worth the while there was a file with a list of jpg urls includeing carfilhiot.co.uk in off course the ginger subdirectry so I went thru all the urls and mostly all of them were 404’s but two sets had the same pictures as the ones in Carfs web site.